i'm t.j. holmes in for ali velshi. as we keep an eye on what's happening in baltimore right now, and what is happening, a gunman right now, even though he is cornered, according to police, is still not in custody. you are looking at a picture of johns hopkins hospital cht this is a huge, huge complex there. it is one of the largest employers in the state, a huge complex where a short time ago, a man, for unknown reasons right now, shot a doctor. a man was in the hospital and shot a doctor. that doctor's condition now has been upgraded. he appears to be in stable condition. non-life threatening injuries now. police officers said in fact, the doctor, you're going to be shot, you're in the right place because you're at johns hopkins university, the hospital rather,

where you can get some treatment. the gunman right now, still on the loose. the reasons for the shooting right now, still not known. we're seeing pictures here. this is on wolfe in particular. the street there in baltimore where this took place. again, this is a huge, huge complex. we've been going back and forth for the past hour or so, there were reports that in fact, this incident was actually wrap up. that the suspect was in custody. police came out a short time later and said that is not the case. the key here is that they do believe they have this suspect isolated at this complex. if there was a suspect on the loose at johns hopkins hospital, that would be a huge, huge problem with such a massive complex, so the good news in fact, or at least is that this suspect is contained. they believe they have a suspect contained to a particular floor and a particular building at the complex. an officer came out a short time ago. he even encouraged people, if you have to come down here to the hospital, traffic is still

flowing. you can still get into certain places. they are so confident they have the suspect confined to a particular area, that he is not a threat to other parts of the particular hospital. again, a huge complex as you look at this here. this looks like just really city blocks, but you're looking at the hospital itself. you know the name. johns hopkins hospital. it is just a world renowned hospital. year after year after year it is voted one of the top hospitals if not the top hospital in the country every single year. this is a complex that has about 1,000 beds. 982 to be precise, to treat people. but right now, we don't know why this suspect did what he did at this hospital. what he is alleged to have done, which is shoot a doctor. there have been back and forth, all kinds of different reports about what possibly this suspect was up to. why he was upset. we are going to stay away from any of those reports until we get more concrete information. the police are telling us right

now in fact that they believe they have this man contained, this shooter contained at this point and that would be the good news. helping me out is going to be pat brown, a criminal profiler joining me now on the phone. pat, we appreciate you hopping on here with us. the police came out a short time ago and said, we don't know what this suspect wants, what this suspect was after. we don't know the motive for this. is that first and foremost in the minds of police officers, trying to figure out what this person wants? >> i think what they're mostly looking at is what kind of ammuniti ammunition he has. if it was just a grudge, if the doctor ticked him off, he might have been coming in with a personal weapon. we have those floating around the streets of baltimore and he may have only had one clib in

it, which is a good thing, comparing that to a mass murd murderer who comes in with a bag full and he's going to take out everything he can. this doesn't sound like that type of situation. he's not gone after anybody else. he's in a specific location. he's not trying take hostages. sounds like he cornered himself, shot this doctor he had something against and now, he's cornered and they want to make sure he doesn't hurt anybody else. >> what does this suspect feel now if this suspect feel now if he feels coronered? there are reports the suspect barricaded himself in, but if he feels cornered, what kind of a person are we dealing with? >> he knows he can't get past the police line. hopefully someone can talk him down saying the doctor's condition has improved, you're

not going to get nailed with murder. put your weapon down before you make the situation worse. i think at some point, he has to do that. that's what they want to make sure. they don't want a police officer injured or anybody else injured because he wants to come out firing. they want to be cautious about that. they've got him contained. they feel they can keep him contained and sit here and wait until he decided to give up essentially. >> what does it tell you about the person's intentions or premeditation? i guess it's possible this person could have been walking around with a gun on them. something upset them at the hospital and they pulled it out and started shooting. >> it may well have been he was angry and he had a personal weapon on him. people don't realize how many people come into the hospital with weapons.

especially in the emergency room. if a person has been shot, and his friends are actually packing heat, people don't realize they're sitting in the emergency room with guns on them because they're not coming in to a metal detector. i don't know how careful johns hopkins is, but most hospitals do not have metal detectors for people coming through. there are also guards who are armed as well. i think this is probably more of a personal issue. maybe he was angry at a doctor, feeling helpless, like he wasn't being listened to and he charged one doctor and wanted to visit somebody, somebody made him ma e and he had his personal weapon. they want to keep this obviously under control. it's a whole lot better than having someone come in wanting to take everybody out. >> how do these things often

end? i'm sure police are trying to talk to this person and end with without more gunfire and bloodshed, but how do these things often end with the scenario you just laid out? >> most of the time, we don't have a shooter who's just got a personal grudge or issue with one weapon. that's not the usual scenario. so they're in very good shape. if you're talk k about a mass murderer, he'll take everybody out he can and intended to die, so he's very dangerous. in this situation, we don't this have. we have a guy who's scared, done this horrible thing. he knows he's trapped. i think this is going to end up probably better than most situations because they only dealing with a very localized incident and probably they can control that. it's going to be a matter of fact. >> pat brown again, don't go too far away from that phone. we're going to stay in close

contact. thank you so much for your perspective and expertise here. to our viewers, we're going to get in a quick break and continue to collect information, but again, if you are just joining us, what is happening at johns hopkins in baltimore, where a person two hours ago, went in and has shot a doctor. that doctor is a faculty physician who is currently being treated at the hospital right now. the condition was upgraded. we had been told it was critical. we have been told now it's non-life threatening. right now, no motive for why the shooter is in the hospital, why that shooter fired a shot, why that shooter fired a shot in detection of this doctor. police are telling us they believe the person is contain into one particular area of the hospital. i want to listen to a live interview. >> we don't know what he's going to do, but we need to stay put.

>> how frightening was that? >> very scary. >> reporter: obviously, did you start calling loved ones to let them know what was going on? >> actually, my mom works here and i don't know where she's at right now. i didn't get a chance to talk to her yet. >> reporter: got to be a little disconcerting for you. >> it is. >> reporter: at what point did you exit the building? >> about 15 minutes ago. >> reporter: you started about 8:00 this morning, so your shift is far from over. >> yes, it is. i don't get off until 4:30 this evening. >> reporter: but you weren't told to go home? >> no, just to stay put. when i came outside, basically, that's what we have to do. stay put. we can't really do anything. we have to wait until they find out what's going on. >> reporter: we've seen a lot of dazed people coming out of the hospital. is that how you feel at this point? >> i really am scared. >> reporter: as you look around and see the police tape and

ambulance and police cars, this has to be sort of surreal, like something you see in a movie. >> not johns hopkins. >> reporter: thanks for talking with us. very disconcerning as you just heard. the hospital is some place, whewhen people come here, they already feel vulnerable. maybe feel a little nervous. this of course, does not strengthen their belief that everything is going to be okay, so not only are patients frightened, but i'm sure loved ones are frightened as well. anyone who works here. most of the hospital is open for business and receiving patients, but i can tell you some employees are still being evacuated. we're going to have to get more confirmation as to what's operating. >> one of our local affiliate reporters talking to someone in the hospital, working in the

hospital, who has left for the time being. again, employees were told, this is telling all, that in fact, not to evacuate. the entire complex was not evacuated. that would be a huge task because this is a huge, huge complex. police belief they have this shooter, isolated to one floor. they tell us operations an things are going on around the complex. it wasn't a massive evacuation of this complex. work is still going on and again, one person shot. a physician that worked there. we were told already that doctor had gone into surgery and his condition was upgraded to non-life threatening. don't know why that particular physician might have been targeted. again, we are continuing to collect makes. we are going to take a quick break and we'll bring you the very latest when we come back. stay with us. breaking news coverage of what's

happening at johns hopkins in baltimore.

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and again, we are following that breaking story in baltimore. i need to pause to bring you another breaking story out in california right now, the same area, same neighborhood where we saw that natural gas explosion that killed four people and levelled a neighborhood essentially, well now, a natural gas order according to khvu, a natural gas odor has been detected and it's caused such alarm that an elementary school

has been evacuated. this is in san bruno, where last week, people -- on thursday, the huge explosion we saw. three dozen homes, at least, were destroyed. just a complete u.s. block. a neighborhood essentially, was destroyed, levelled, was on fire. four people were killed. well, in that same area now, it's being reported by ktvu, a natural gas odor has detected and they're taking it so seriously that an elementary school is having to be evacuated. just getting that in. we are following that. we are on the phones getting more information on that story, but certainly something to cause alarm when it happened in the exact same area where we saw a neighborhood levelled. three dozen homes, four killed. you remember those pictures. but something else is going on right now to the point they had to evacuate an elementary

school. we are on top of that, also on top of the breaking news story in baltimore, where we are seeing at johns hopkins hospital, one person shot, a physician who is now in stable condition. but was shot by someone at the hospital. the police still do not have in custody. however, they believe they have this person isolated. there was some confusion earlier about whether or not this person had been taken into custody. again, a breaking news story that's been happening over the last two hours. that's where some of the confusion comes from, but right now, the word from police is that this person is isolated on the eighth floor of the main hospital building. operations and functions around the complex are still continuing right now. this is the hospital that has about 1,000 beds. this is a huge, huge complex. you hear johns hopkins hospital all the time because year after

year, it is at the top of the list when it comes to the best hospitals in this countrcountry. but today in the news for a much different reason. you are seeing video of the tactical teams on sight, implements a plan on how they're going to resolve this. this man, we believe to be a man, no identity released on him, no motive as well, but varying reports on what he was upset about. right now, we don't know. police came out a short time ago and said they don't know either, but they're trying to figure out why this man ruz possibly upset. josh, i see you starting there with the twitter stuff. it's amazing here that the information, how it gets out so quickly because johns hopkins and baltimore police, they tweet. >> they said to us earlier, to follow their twitter page. less than five seconds ago, this is from the hospital.

baltimore pd and johns hopkins security ask employs and care givers to stay in rooms, offices until further notice. finally, way down here, this is about an hour ago. they said that as a precaution, the hospital had temporarily restricted access to the main building following the shooting. i will remind everyone that the situation is contained. we know that the shooting took place on the eighth floor of the main building, but we don't know where the current incident is contained to. officials say they are asking people to stay put. let's jump over to the twitter site for the police themselves. what they've just put, wolfe incident, that's what they're calling it where the street is. motive unclear at present. physician's wound considered non-life threatening and

recovery expected. incident isolate today a small part of the hospital. people who have business are encouraged to come. two things at once. you're encouraged to come, but we're telling people to stay put. one thing we need to get clear on is who is coming in and who is comes out of that giant complex. >> it is a huge, huge complex. josh, we appreciate you and the information coming out and now, i was trying to see whether or not this is the briefing possibly taking place, if so, we'd like to bring that to you. in baltimore, johns hopkins university, where still, a suspect is holed up, not in police custody yet. again, one person, a physician, shot at this point, but his injuries considered non-life threatening. quick break, right back with all the breaks news of the day.

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welcome back to the newsroom. we have disturbing new numbers, that might not come as a surprise to some people about the number of people in poverty. we have seen a spike in the number of people living at or below the line. the rate has jumped to 14.3%. that is the highest rate since 1994 in this country. it's also the largest number of people, actual numbers of people we have seen living at or below the poverty line in some 51 years in this country. what does that mean necessarily? people might not even know they're at the level. this is how it's defined by the government. a family of four, if you make

less than $21,954, that's defined as poverty. if it's a couple, making less than $13,991. that is considered poverty or a single person's income of less than $10,956. the rate increased in most regions, however, the northeast stayed about the same. rate up for all racial and ethnic groups except for asiaens, that was stable. was does it all mean? some perspective from a professor at the university of wisconsin. sir, thank you for being with us. a little perspective here. if we have to hear about one more person in poverty, that's bad news, but is this a significant spike we have seen? >> it sure is. it's a big hit. many thought it would be worse.

it will be worse next year, i believe, because we're still stuck in the recession. as you mentioned, it hit vir yully everybody, but particularly, younger people in kids. a big increase in poverty in kids that went from 20, almost 21% and the big increase among younger adults 18-24, single parents and a bigger increase among children under the age of 6 where the poverty rate went up 2.6% to 23.9. >> how do we explain those numbers with the young people? how does that work? >> well, they've lost jobs and can't find work. younger people who have less education, less able to get into the labor market, older, experienced workers are coming back. they're less likely to get unemployment compensation because they haven't had a

permanent job for a long time and this big increase in poverty was despite the fact that many avoided poverty by moving back in with their parents or sister or brother. a lot of young people starting out their lives in their 20s, having children and not being able to support them or themselves because of the lack of jobs. >> sir, you talked about the number was expected to be worse. the experts aren't always right, but still, if they expected it to be worse, what kept it from being worse? >> well rk what kept it from being worse this year in part was because the rate from the elderly actually fell by almost a percentage point to 8.9. so the elderly fall restrained the increase in the rest of the poverty population. in order, when you add it up, it only went from 13.2 to 14.3 and that was a big increase among

younger people obviously and a decrease among the elderly. >> the numbers next year, the rate isn't as high this year as last year. hopefully it will stay that way, but your prediction for next year, are we going to continue to see these bumps or stabilize? >> i think we're going to see a rise. all of our extended unemployment insurance, which has been affected in reducing poverty, will be expired. jobless rates are still high and haven't come down at all for younger, undereducated workers. most of them will move back with their parents, so i think it's going to be worse next year for them and i can see next year going up closer to 15%. it's bad enough this year as you pointed out. >> professor, again, with another reality check for us as we get more signs of just how troubling the economic situation

really is. thank you so much. >> thank you, t.j. >> 500 years now after henry viii broke away from the church, the pope gets a rail royal welcome from the queen. we've got the scandals and everything else. that's when we come back. foa . the drive is done. so it's a day of games and two more pills. the games are over, her pain is back, that's two more pills. and when she's finally home, but hang on, just two aleve can keep back pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rachel, who chose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. ♪

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1989. >> much has changed in nearly the 30 years since pope john paul's visit. in this country, we deeply appreciate the involvement of the -- in the situation in northern ireland. elsewhere, the fall of totalitarian regimes has allowed greater freedom for hundreds of millions of people. the -- continues to have an important role in international issues in support of peace and development and in addressing common problems like poverty and climate change. your presence here today reminds us of our common christian heritage and of the christian contribution to the encouragement of world peace and

to the -- >> remember now the queen is the official head of the church of england and the pope is also the head of state, so they have a lot more in common than you might think. now, here's what's happeninging right now. a huge, open-air mass. this is happening in glasgow. the pope oftentimes will have one of these. this one taking place right now. they're expecting a crowd of some 65,000 worships. catholics make up roughly 9% of the population. the news was made before that. speaking to reporters in the air, he reflected on the clergy scandal. he said, quote --

so far, these words have done really nothing to lessen a pretty strong backlash to the visit. let's talk about this and the other controversies along with these ceremonies with john allen. john, always good to see you. watching these for us in our london burro. the pope makes a visit and things come up, a controversy over how much the visit costs, a controversy with not as many people coming to see him. what are people excited about in the pope's visit? >> hey, t.j. it really depends on who you ask. there is a large section of the english public that's not exc e excited at all. if you walk out in the street and stop people, what most would

tell you they're not paying much attention and don't care much one way or the other. now, for that inner core of committed catholics in scotland and england, the presence of the pope is an extraordinary shot in the arm. they see themselves as an embattled subculture and the pope is coming to give them a boost. on the opposite end, there are the kind of activist wing of the secular world that see the pope as the architect of a cover-up of a child abuse scandal and other issues they find repugnant. on saturday, they're planning to take to the streets to protest. they say england swings like a pendulum due. i think that's true to have reaction to the pope's trip, too. >> were they already upset about the visit and about how the pope and vatican have been handling the sex scandals, but did it make a difference, fire people up even more, these comments

that came out from a chief adviser to the pope, likening london in particular and great britain, to a third world country? >> t.j., you and i have talked before, the vatican seems to have a special genius for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. this would be another case and point. the retired official, who was the vatican's top official for more than a decade, said that in an interview with a german newspaper and it has been a fairly big deal in the british press today and on the street. a lot of people are taking it as a poke in the why. what the vatican said he meant is that the u.k. is an increasedly multicultural society. anybody who knows him knows he's a sophisticated guy. i'm sure he didn't mean to give offense, but in the court of.

opinion, this is yet another pr gaffe for a pope who doesn't need one more. >> forgive me, if you can, stand by. i need to jump to breaking news out of baltimore. there is a press conference about the shooting. >> we are confirming that the situation is contained. we are still trying to get control of the suspect. it's in the nelson building, on a floor in the nelson building, which we're not going to give out yet. the hospital is operating as close to normal as possible. the emergency room is open. the doctor is going to be okay. i think that was already reported. he has non-life threatening injuries. he's in the best place he could ever be. he's going to be okay. we have no information on anyone in danger, any hostages. every 30 minutes, we want to make sure we get you guys information that we have, so 30 minutes from you, we'll update you with more. >> what can you tell us about the individual? >> i don't have a background on

him. i know he's african-american mail in his 30s. i don't have an identity, background. i don't know his relationship to the doctor. >> his mother, we're hearing -- >> we have those, that's it's a family member, that he's in the room with a family member. floors that are affected are sealed off. correct. we're not going to get into specifics for tactical reasons. >> how many floors -- >> we're not going to get into that. there's tvs all over the building. the situation is contained. >> can you confirm that he was -- >> that is true. all the floors, all the floors, the situation's been contained. don't know. the doctor had abdominal injuries. >> more than one? >> i don't know. he did require surgery. he's in surgery as we speak, but

he is going to be okay. don't know. don't know anything about the weapon yet. don't know. maybe -- we have those same questions for him. i haven't heard that. >> talk about your police activity. what's going on. >> we don't want to say too much. one thing i want to say is that the police department and johns hopkins, professional agencies, we train for this all the time. traffic is flowing behind me there's no risk to the general public, to patients. the situation is contained. the fbi is here on stand by. when you're dealing with the eighth largest police department in the country, we're good at these kinds of things and we're confident we're going to get this resolved soon. >> are you in contact with the shooter? >> don't want to talk about that. >> police are telling us they can't get in --

>> alerts have been sent to employees. there are certain floors that are affected that are closed that they cannot have access to, but the emergency room, they have access to. people are coming in and being treated. >> does the suspect remain in a lockdown situation -- >> the floors are contained. no one in danger or locked in any rooms or anything like that. yeah. a number of floors that we're locking down. >> are you confirming the identity of the doctor shot? >> nope. in a half an hour, we'll update you on what we have. of course. obviously. >> all right. some new information in this update. police saying they will update us every half hour, so we could possibly get something else in the next 30 minutes, but some important information we had not gotten before and that is a little something about the suspect cht said it's an

african-american mail in hle in 30s. don't know the relation to the doctor who was shot. that doctor has abdominal injuries and is in surgery. also, police telling us they believe the suspect is in the room holed up with a family member. the doctor is going to be okay. also, the hospital is operating as normally as possible. this is a huge complex if you're not particular with johns hopkins hospital there, it is one of the largest employers of the state of maryland. the largest in baltimore. it's a huge complex there. they have this contained to one building and one floor. the hospital actually put out a statement that i have in my hands saying that patients in that particular building, nelson, is what the doctor, the police officer said, it's called the nelson building, the patients are being evacuated to other areas, but employs with i.d. may remain in that

building, but should not attempt to access the eighth floor of nelson. so, they have the suspect contained to a particular floor of a particular building, if this gives you an indication how confident they are that they have it contained, they are still allowing people on other floors, at least employees, to operate in that building, just not in that floor. one person shot. they do not believe anyone else is in danger at this point. police officer would not say whether or not police are in contact with this particular suspect. so, yes, some new information. we are getting out from police, at least in this latest update, again, the suspect not in custody, but contained and they don't believe a danger to anyone else. a couple of hours ago, this

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accomplish on this trip? >> well, i think he is in touch with reality enough to know that four days in the u.k. is not going to magically turn the corner on the sex abuse crisis or in centuries of secularization. i think what he wants to do is reintroduce christianity and reintroduce the catholic church, a positive key to the public defined by his hostility to the catholic church. if he can convince people to take a new look, i think he would be willing to take that and run back to rome. >> kind of a big mission there, but sounds like a baby step as well. a reintroduction, as you put it so eloquently. talk to you again soon. we have been reporting on the pope's visit and his admission that the church's response was slow and insufficient to the

abuse by catholic priests. before he was pope, he was ca cardinal rats inninger. recently, it's come to light that -- he had direct responsibility for decisions in some notorious sex abuse cases. gary tuckman looks at his handling of a case from the heart land of the u.s. >> reporter: at a lake side retreat in northern wisconsin, terry tries to escape his past. it isn't easy. 50 years ago, when he was just 10 years old, terry, who is deaf, was sent to the st. john's school in milwaukee, wisconsin. what happened there to terry and up to 200 other deaf boys, is now central to the sex abuse crisis in the catholic church. and to the question of what hope benedict, then cardinal ratzinger, new about it all.

terry has never spoken publicly about the horrors he endured until now. what did he do to you? >> and then i went into his office. the door was closed and father murphy says take your pants. >> reporter: father fathmurphy the respected church leader, but he had been identified by dozens of deaf men who say he raped and sexually abused them for years. father murphy's abuse could come to the attention of cardinal ratzinger. >> i think what the murphy case shows is the deference that cardinal ratzinger would give to the priest. >> what actually happened in

court. >> reporter: today, he is suing the vatican for what father murphy did to him at st. john's. his lawsuit is the first to name pope benedict. until now, terry has been anonymous. >> i was confused as to why it would happen. he was a priest. you know, i was trying to figure out, i can't believe a priest would do that. >> reporter: the priest is believed to have picked out victims who were especially vulnerable or had been through tragedy already in their young lives. terry fit that pattern. >> my brother was electrocuted. died when i was 10. and when i was 11, my father hung himself. at 12, my favorite dog died and tore me up. and i saw father.

>> reporter: tell me why you've decided to file suit? >> i want to see the vatican because i've been waiting for all these years, for them to excommunicate father murphy, but they haven't. >> joining me on the phone now is our gary tuckman reporting by phone from wilmington, delaware. gary, fascinating story here. i know we'll see more about it. the last question in the piece, what was he hoping to accomplish from this suit, i mean, does he have a chance with this lawsuit producing what he hopes it will? >> not clear, t.j., what will happen with this lawsuit. it's so sad. this has been such a sad assignment for me to do. sad for the victim and sad that we know now cardinal joseph ratzinger knew very well about

these cases three decades ago. we have the documents. kept secret for years. they have his signature. these documents are from desperate bishops from the united states, asking cardinal ratzinger so get these priests off our hands. in some cases, these priests were in jail and they were asking ratzinger, please. he would write back, give us more information and would delay and delay. what the church is telling us now, we have an exclusive interview now with one of the top aides in vatican city, is that local decisions could have been made by the bishops to get rid of these priests, if that was the case, why were they desperately writing back and forth and we have those letters. one more. if the church is saying local petitions could have been made,

why was he firing priests who differed with the vatican about religious doctrine. he would not do anything about priests he knew were molesters. >> amazing information you have been able gary, to uncover here. i know we'll hear a lot more about it, but we appreciate you hopping on the phone and sharing the story. sad to even cover, but you can find out exactly what card that will ratzinger, what pope benedict knew and did about father murphy. you can tune into a special documentary, what the pope knew, september 25th and 26th. and you can see that only right here on cnn. we want to give you an update on baltimore. we've been following this story this, shooter who has shot a physici physician. now we've been told by police that that suspect is dead. again, let me tell you again, that this suspect is now dead.

the gunman was shot by police is the information we're now getting. let me take you back just a bit here if you haven't been following us. someone a couple hours ago shot a physician at johns hopkins hospital in baltimore at a huge complex there. no idea about the motive. we haven't gotten that yet. but shot a doctor, a doctor believed to be in surgery right now and is going survive. but police kept telling us that they had the suspect contained to a particular floor in a particular building. they would he was hold up and not a threat to anyone else. police we saw the tactical units arrive. you know they had to be formulating a plan. they couldn't tell us when or not they were in contact with the subject and talking to this suspect, but now we are getting word in fact that the suspect, the gunman, is dead in this incident and, in fact, the police were the ones who shot him. he did not take his own life. we will work to get more details. and fold with one hand.

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as we get close to the top of the hour, time for the politics updates. mark preston and paul

steinhauser are at the scene and politics.com desk in washington. two things here. i don't see paul and i don't see a desk. >> hey, t.j., how are you doing? >> i'm doing all right. >> i tell you what, i'm sitting here in the newsroom with the producers for john king usa. they're mapping out tonight's show as you request see. a couple things on the tablet. we talk a lot about technology, but good old pad and paper, that's how we put things together here at's not a normal. what is that? >> that is what you call the ipad of cnn. you can't get smaller than that. so of course they'll be talking a lot of politics tonight. the delaware senate race, huge upset, but let me tell you what you need to know now. broke the story last night. the family research council is upset at senator john corning. what he does, he helps raise money and he tries to get republicans elected.

well, corning is going to attend a fund raiser for the log cabin republicans. that's a gay and lesbian advocacy organization. tony per kins from the family research council very upset about that, sent a note asking him not to go to it. well, cornyn responded and said i am going. i don't agree with them on the social issue, but do i on fiscal issues. i will tell you this, the family research council is about to issue another statement, they are still upset and in fact they're not satisfied with that response. we'll get it to you a little later in the day. we know they're working on if right now. and joining me is paul steinhauser who have the rest of the headlines. >> you were just talking about it that race in delaware. that is the hot race right now. and i just conferred with the vice president's office that the vice president is going back to his home state sometime next week to try to keep that seat. chris coons, the democratic

nominee in that state. steve is our coverage manager and he'll make sure once we know the date of that event, we'll get coverage of it. also today the president, barack obama, going up to connecticut later today. that's another democratic senate seat they're trying to hold on. hoping the president can help raise big bucks for the nominee up there. all this stuff on cnn.com on the political ticker. >> well, that was a great upare date, guys and i think you all introduced us to just about everybody who works in that room. so we do appreciate it. stop with the pose there, mark preston. >> t.j. holmes, this is how i work. >> well, i appreciate and you know i love you. ul incredibites. it's just the way you like it-- ul incredibites. with carbohydrates for energy and protein for muscles. [ woman announcing ] beneful incredibites. another healthful, flavorful beneful. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze... my eyes water.

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youth. you'll meet him. also you've heard the story about that tv reporter who is leveling harassment allegations against the new york jets pap lot of people are talking about this story now and saying should what she was wearing to work have anything to do with this conversation. i had a conversation with some of my female colleagues about it. and they went off. i'll share my thoughts in today's xyz. but first new poverty numbers from the accept sus bureau today. it paints a picture we were expecting for to paint. it's a picture that you're probably already familiar with. and what we're seeing is that in 2009, the poverty rate in this country has shot up. it shot up to 14.3%. that's the highest poverty rate we've seen in this country since 1994. it is also the highest as far as just shear numbers of people who are living in poverty now, the highest number of americans living in poverty in the 51 years that they have been

keeping track of such numbers. let me break down what is poverty. what does that mean these days? let's break this down for you this way. if it's a family of four making less than $21,954 annually, that is defined as poverty for a couple making less than $13,991, and for an individual making less than $10,956 in those categories is defined as poverty. for the most part in just about every reenlg ochbt country, we saw the rate go up except for in the northeast where the number remained about stable. also across the ethnic groups, just about every group except for asians went up. for asians, it remained about flat, as well. i talked about these numbers try to get perspective last hour from a professor who runs the group at the university of wisconsin at madison that deals with poverty number. take a listen.

>> it's a big hit. many thought it would be worse. as you mentioned, it hit virtually everybody. but it particularly hit younger people and kids. there was a big increase in poverty for kids that went from 19 to 20.7, almost 21%. and a big increase among younger adults 18-24, single parents, and an even bigger increase among children under the age of 6 where the poverty rate went up 2.6% to 23.9. >> how do we slain thoexplain t numbers with the young people? we understand the adults losing jobs. how does that work? >> they've lost jobs and they can't find work. younger people who have less education are less able to get in to the labor market. older experienced workers are coming back if anybody is coming back. they're less likely to get unemployment compensation because they haven't had a

permanent job for a long time. and this big increase in poverty was despite the fact that many of them avoided poverty by moving back in with their parents or sister or brother. so it's essentially what we're seeing is a lot of young people starting out their lives in their 20s having children and not being able to support those children or support themselves because of the lack of jobs. >> your prediction for next year, are we going to continue to see these bumps or could we stabilize? >> i think we'll continue to see a rise. all of our extended unemployment insurance which has been effective in reducing poverty will be expired. jobless rates are still high and haven't come down at all for younger undereducated workers, these young people we're talking about. most needed to move back this to their parents have. so i think it will be worse next year for them. can i see next year going up closer to 15%. >> that doesn't sound too

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final rinse. this is fresh water being applied along with our waxes. >> reporter: business is good. offsetting higher costs. and customers like the green approach. >> it's great because it's environmentally friendly and i'm really big into that. >> it's also inherent to our generation i think where we want to be good to the environment. we've grown up in that. >> reporter: today's filtration technology is so so phisticated that it can even make tap water cleaner than what you drink. sdl it's been fill traited. >> reporter: the reason they do it here is that when the water dries off, there are no spots left behind. as these cars go into the car wash, when the jets are washing the vehicle, it's not just a random splash of water. it's a calibrated jet of water and the water go this is to the recycling truck below. they've even answered what to do about empty aerosol cans of window cleaner.

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stem teaching at all grade levels, to also deepen student appreciation and excitement for stem programs, and especially among females and student of color, and to achieve a sustained commitment to the stem movement from business leaders, government officials, as well as teachers. and at the helm of this great stem movement is none other than sally ride, former nasa astronaut. ma'am, so good to have you here with us. is is it the kids in part, are they just not excited anymore about these particular subjects? >> that's exactly right. i think that for the last 20, 25 years, our society really hasn't put a focus on the importance of science and math education. and we're starting to pay the price. you cited the numbers. 24th in math, 17th in science. that's not who we are. we're a country that became

great as a result of our ability to innovate and engineer and explore and we've lost that and we need to get back to it. and part of that is exciting the students about science and math and engineering, making it relevant for them so they understand request they should be excited about it, and also improving the teaching that they get in k-12. it's absolutely critical. it's become a business impair of it which is why change the equaugs has st equation has stepped in. >> you said we used to have more family semphasis on it, so wher did we lose our way? >> you're right. when i was growing up, there was a very strong focus on science and math education. it was the hay day of our program. we had a skilled workforce that could support our innovation. and we just drifted away from that. i don't think it was any conscious decision to move away from it, but we really have

drifted away from it over the last couple of decades. and there have been two decades worth of national reports pointing out the problem and suggesting solutions, all of them suggesting the same solutions, and we just haven't had the national will yet to do that. i think finally the corporate sector has said, okay, we've got to take a lead here and change the equation, is this ceo head, ceo driven private sector, private funded effort to try to leverage all the investments that the corporate community makes in science and math education because they realize their future depends on it. >> and we talk about change the equation, a program the president will be talking about. it's rolling out on a larger scale, you've been doing this in a concentrated way, as well, and we can certainly make those improvements if we focus in on certain schools. but on a larger scale, do we

need -- we need dreamers. we need something to inspire young people like the space program. kids need to see spags shulce s taking off, they need to though about missions to mars. that needs to inspire a nation. >> it's true, we do need inspiration for the kids who are growing up today. the space program did it for my generation. maybe it will do it for this generation. but i think that it's more likely that by making connections to the innovations that kids use every day, cell phones, all the other technologies that they've grown up with and are so familiar with, realizing that the basis for those devices and their ability to communicate lies in math, science and engineering, the environment and environmental changes, the kids are very tuned into issues associated with the environment and want to try to understand how to help solve those problems. a lot of those solutions rest in

science and technology and engineering. so making that connection for them is critical. and then also humanizing science and engineering so they don't think all scientists are old dead guys and they don't think all engineers are geeks that look like einstein and wear pocket protector, that an 11-year-old african american boy can look to tv and see an engineer who used to look like him and realize this is a path that he could follow. sdl yes rk . >> i know plenty of cool geeks out there. we laid out some of the goals of the program, the change of equation program, but is a lot of the emphasis going to be put on women or girls and minorities and why is that important to do? >> a lot of it is going to be put on girls and underrepresented minorities. because we just can't afford to not use our entire population to help solve this problem. but maybe even more fundamentally. yes, we want to create the next

generation of rocket scientists and environmental engineers, but even just basic living wage jobs of the future, fully 80% of the jobs over the next decade are going to require some background, some basic skills in science and math. so even for the students in school today to grow up and have living wage jobs, they need this background about if we want to make sure that the underrepresented minorities and the young girls in school get this message so they know that science is important to them, it's important to their futures, that math is critical to their future skill set. >> sally ride, it is an absolute pleasure to get to talk to you today. thank you so much for spending time with us and good luck at the white house today and we'll keep an eye on the program. hopefully it makes the differences you're hoping it will. >> thank you very much. let's take a look now at some of the stories that are making headlines. first the gunman who shot a doctor today at johns hopkins hospital in baltimore is dead

now. the doctor was rushed into surgery and expected to be okay. the shooting happened on the eighth floor of the main hospital building there. part of the facility had to be evacuated. police confirm that the gunman has died now. there were reports he shot himself, but that hasn't been officially confirmed yet. the senate also just passed a $42 billion bill to help small businesses make credit more available. this comes after a month of debate and pressure from the white house. the administration says the measure will create half a million jobs, but before it moves to the president's desk, it must go back to the house for approval. and pope benedict has addressed the catholic church sex abuse crisis. the pope says the church hasn't been vigilant enough or fast enough in its response. his four day trip is the first state visit by a pope to the uk. he's meeting today with queen be elizabeth. it's considered an historic divide. just a week after that massive explosion in san bruno,

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we've got a lot of hurricanes we're dealing with now. >> yes. >> who to you wado you want to h is this. >> the one affecting land, karl. this is north of belize here got hit. but now we'll go back into the bay of campeche. there is an oil producing area right in here. haven't heard anything about oil futures are going up because it's going into the gulf of mexico. but we'll see. there's igor. still a very big storm. this thing is brutal and it's not getting any smaller. 140-mile-an-hour. cat 4. it is travel to go the north. >> what does it have to go to to get cat 5? >> 156. all we're going to watch is for the eyewall to get smaller and bigger. it's that ice skater that can bring its arms in real fast.

when the eyewall is big, the storm goes closer. so 130. it can go to 156 or 160 when it close goes smaller. it's going exactly to where our reynolds wolf is trying to go. bermuda. yeah. at 110 now. yesterday about 105, but this has held so much strength together that bermuda could be up to about a category 2 hurricane strength. >> why is reynolds going there? >> i don't know. you can't chase a hurricane because it will chase you. do you know where we're going now? >> off the radar. >> $17 billion is spent on what product united states annually? >> okay. >> not cars. >> i did the tease earlier, so chocolate. >> chocolate. $17 billion. >> is that low maybe even?

people eat chocolate all the time. >> that's with a b. so what has happened, mars and m and ms and hersheys and penn state university, they have sequenceded genome. remember they did that for like people? you know how you sequence your dna? they have figured out what the trees and how they're made. trees have a lot of disease. west africa, ivory companies, they make 70% of the cocoa, right? and so when these farmers lose trees to disease and pests and fungus and mold, they lose their livelihood. the price of chocolate continues to go up. it's supply and demand. so what these people now have done, they figured out what trees can be better, they'll even make better corn, better soy beans, better roses for hundreds of years, but never have we ever tried to make

better chocolate. but now they are. >> very good stuff. are you a chocolate fan? >> a lot. dark. no white chocolate. >> all right. the camera guy is laughing at you. quick break. a man who doesn't like to travel. he is cramming in a decade's worth of controversy into a four day trip. stay here. sure i'd like to diversify my workforce, i just wish that all of the important information was gathered together in one place. [ printer whirs ] done.

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we have been getting c conflicting information about what's happening at johns hopkins hospital. a gunman shot a doctor. the doctor is expected to be okay. now police are coming out after

saying it was originally the police that shot the suspect, now it's been called a murder-suicide. so now we're being told that in fact two people are dead and one of them is the alleged gun man who shot the doctor originally. again, the doctor we're told is going to be okay. is he not one of the deceased here. but now this is being called a murder-suicide and the shooter is dead, the second person we do not know at this time. police have expect to go give us another update with a press conference here shortly. when that happens, we will certainly be monitoring it. hope to bring that to you live. but the update is that now police are saying that this was a murder-suicide, two people dead including the alleged gunman who shot a doctor. the doctor, though, in surgery expected to be okay. we don't know who the second deceased person is at this time. we will get back to you as soon as we get more information. but right now, i want to take you globe trekking and pope benedict is trekking around the globe. he just finished celebrating the

first mass of a four day state visit to britain, the first trip to britain by a pope since 1982. they had a pretty messy break up back in the 16th century. today the queen herself gave the pope a royal welcome. joining me now with more, phil, we appreciate you being here. i see a crowd behind you there. there was so much talk about about possibly this pope was not going to be able to draw huge crowds. what have you been seeing so far? >> keep in mind, too, opinion polls show that most in this country are indifferent or hostile to the pope coming here, but he's had a pretty good day and tended here just a short time ago with a mass where more than 60,000 people, they say as many as 100,000 people, gathered, came to share just a few hours of the pope's company. his day started when he arrived

defeated by the queen's husband. he was then received with the official state welcome by the queen herself. and that was when we heard from the pope for the first time today. here's a sample of what he had to say. >> as we reflect, let us never forget how xt collusion of god, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to -- of man and society a. >> reporter: that was pope benedict the 16th warning the british people against excluding god and religion from public life. it is widely believed that this country is doing more of that. the pope has traveled here to tell the british people he doesn't think that's a good idea.

>> where he sill he see protest there? >> there was some today as he drove through the streets. hundreds, maybe thousands of people there expressing their anger over the child sex abuse scandal. their opposition to the church's position things like abortion, contraception, and there are more protests planned in the coming days. >> all right, phil, we appreciate you hanging in there. i know it's loud where are you. thanks so much as always. coming up, he was left blind by a shot to his head. now a former gang member is on a mission to help at risk kids see there's a better way to live their lives. that's next in today's mission possible. ♪

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in today's mission possible, the fight to keep kids out of gangs in dallass. i wouldn't take a look at some of these numbers. nearly a million gang members in the u.s. they tobelong to more than 20,000 gangs. the cops say these gangs are responsible for at much as 80% of the crime in some communities. l after t lamont is a former gang member and was shot and left blind. he's trying to keep at risk kids from making the same mistake. and also the executive director of the youth conversion center. they both join me now from dallas. thank you both for being here. let me ask you, first, you said you want to keep the kids from

making the mistakes you made. why did you make those mistakes? >> i had no guidance. i had no opportunity. gist had a lot of time on my hands to be involved in negative activity. so i really didn't have a role model like a father figure or uncle trying to help me stay away from the gang activity. >> is that always the situation and the story? i know i've covered these stories and youth and gangs before. and it seems like you hear that all the time. i didn't have anyone, i didn't have anyone to turn to, and these gangs and some of these gang members provide that sense of community and leadership and sometimes father figures these kids don't have. >> that is correct. and it's not the case all the time, but most of the time, it is the case where you have a youth that does not have a father in a home. as a matter of fact, does that have a mother in the home. they don't have the mentors that they can relate to.

that's the difference. they come up with all different programs, but can the youth relate to that mentor that they have been assigned to. so that's why we've started our program so that we can get mentors in who can identify with that child, who can relate to their struggle, who may look just like they do and help them with their problems that they're having. so that they don't result in the gang activity. >> lamont, how do you get at these kids, what is your message to them? >> my message is mainly don't live the life that i lived. i'm the truth. i'm a living testimony. i'm an example of what kids can become. i know kids don't want to walk around being blind. i know a lot don't want it walk around in wheelchairs. but most of all the big picture is a lot of then don't want to add to our penitentiary and cemetery population. it's just that of a territory incident happens or after they act, there's a horrible reaction and by that time it's too late. >> how powerful is it not just

to hear the experience or the words of someone like lamont, but to actually see this man that i'm sure still has battle scar, if you will, and is sitting there blind? how much more powerful of an image is that than any words, any mentor can say to a kid? >> it is very powerful. like he said, he is the truth. wre we're not just pulling out books. he speaks the truth. he shows the tragic impact that it has on the individual, how it has on their family and their community. so it is very powerful. i mean, we have people leaving after a presentation wanting to change and get their lives redirected. we have family members who want to come back, find out what else they can do to avoid their child getting this to a gang, the youth ask questions how can they get out of the gangs. so from there, it's a start. and so his testimony is very powerful. >> lamont, last thing here to you. what is life like, what has life

been like for you and your family since this happened to you? >> well, life has been -- it's ben barry. i used to think january 2nd was the worst day of my life, but i look back now and i think that god helps you and people got realize when god steps in your life, it's for a reason. god stepped in my life that day and he made my life more comfort shl. no more running from the officer, now that me and him has partnered and we go out and talk to kids. no more worry building if i have to sleep with a gun next to my side or if i will get killed or if my kids will be in danger. so i can say my life has changed. it's an obstacle every day just being blind, but i'm up for the task. i'm up for -- if i can help redirect any child's mind frame, then i'm up for it. >> lamont, that is a great

message. it's unfortunate that you had to go through what you had to go through to dhifr theliver that , but so telling that your life is in some way as lot better now that you have lost your sight. a mamazing to hear that. we appreciate you both being here and you can learn more about their efforts to combat gang violence by going to my blog. we thank them both if beifor be here. >> president obama may have a name in mind to run his new consumer protection agency. it's not ed henry. but still, ed henry still is looking out for you. he's joining us next. man and woman: ♪ it's the happy birthday song ♪ love, dad and ♪ love, mom ♪ it's your birthday, now, that's the bomb ♪ ♪ you're 13 and livin' strong ♪ [muffled] ♪ it's the happy birthday song ♪ what, what? ♪ it's the happy birthday song ♪

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it's time for our cnn political analyst in washington. thank you so much for bringing some civility to that desk. we had paul steinhauser and mark preston a little earlier and they really brought the place down. >> they always do. we miss seeing you on the cnn express, t.j. you got come out with us again. >> i will be out again, but they

say i made a mess on the bus, so don't know if i'll be invited back. >> jobs is what this election is about and after months of debate and pressure from the obama administration, the senate today finally passed a jobs bill with the help of two republican senators. the price tag $42 billion. of course the republicans who voted against it say it's just another bailout that isn't really going to help small business. and let's move on to delaware. we've been talking a lot about the rock star in delaware, christine o'donnell. well, it's no secret that the state republican chairman is not a big fan of hers. he said she shouldn't be elected dog catcher, right? well, today he sent out a statement saying that of course the state party would, quote, work hard if afor all our candidates. but he didn't mention o'donnell

by name. and she's going make her first joint appearance with her democratic opponent tonight at a voter forum in wilmington. and now on to another big state. california. and this may not be surprising, but it's quite important and that is that nancy reagan has come out and endorsed the republican candidates for senate and governor, carly fiorina and meg whitman. she did that after she met with the two women earlier this week. so again, not a surprise, but nancy reagan is the first lady of california politics and always will be. >> we're used to talking politics and big things happen in california. it's amazing that little delaware is making headlines, as well. good to see you as always. we'll see you on the road, i assume. let's head over to the white house and ed henry for the stake outtoday. good to see you as always. how is it going today? >> reporter: it's going fantastic. they're going to start a briefing here in a minute with senator menendez of new jersey,

so if i have to duck to the other side, out forgive me. he's meeting with leaders about immigration reform, another big issue on the president's agenda, but also talking about the economy today. >> what was he necessarily talking about? it seems like the president always talking about the economy every day. what was it this morning? >> reporter: we're pretty much practically every day about between now and november 2nd you'll see the president talking about the economy in some form or fashion. i think today it was about exports. he reiterated his goal from the state of the union address to try to double exports within five years. it takes a lot of hard work to do. we're not there yet. but he realizes that if you start exporting more goods, you'll be producing more goods right here in america. i think the other thing they were paying close attention to here today is that there was a break new in the senate on that small business bill we've been talking about. it has billions of dollars in loans basically to get lending going again to small businesses. we've heard so much from small business leaders about how they want to hire more people, but they try get a loan to buy some

more equipment in order to pay people, to hire more people, and the banks aren't going to give them a loan, so this will have billions of dollars in loan money for the small businesses. >> the consumer protection agency, we heard so much about this, this was supposed to be set up to look out for us, but nobody's running the dog gone they think yet and it's not up and running yet. what's happening there? >> the white house says that's because they want to pick the right person and the person who will have an advisory roll is elizabeth warren. and my colleague is reporting that the president will officially announce that tomorrow. so, again, another example where tomorrow we'll hear the president talking the economy again, in this sense because it ties back to the wall street reform bill. this consumer protection agency was created because of that. there have been some resistance on the hill, some republicans saying they might not support elizabeth warren if a confirmation battle to actually be the head of this new consumer protection agency.

built out of all the bailouts and stuff to make sure consumers are being looked after.agency. built out of all the bailouts and stuff to make sure consumers are being looked after.protecti. built out of all the bailouts and stuff to make sure consumers are being looked after. so she'll set up the new consumer protection bureau. liberal groups think she's tough. they're happy that the president picked her short term. but there are top democrats like chris dodd who are not quite as happy. they think it's not a good idea to have someone in an interim role. they'd rather see the president get forward with somebody who will permanently run the bureau and white house aides say you'll see that soon, as well. but elizabeth warren rolled out tomorrow. >> last thing and i have to ask you to do this in about 30 seconds for me. this first lady flap? >> reporter: there is this new book out claiming that about ca

br that might be smell obama told her life in the white house is hell. the french embassy put out a statement saying that's nonsense. and we just got a comment from the first lady spokeswoman saying this never happened. she never said life in the white house is hell. but this is the kind of thing that ricochets out there. they're doing all they can to tamp it down and say nonsense. >> it's kind of like what you have me, working at the white house is hell. >> reporter: it's a nice place to be. i can't imagine it's hell. >> ed, good to see you as always. drawing a line to live by. how much do you need to make? the answer is our word play today. the smell of home made chili

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today we're drawing a line in the nation's poverty line. this comes on the news that the poverty rate in the u.s. has jumped to 14.3%. so what exactly is the poverty line? it's defined as a level of personal or family income which classifies one as poor according to the government standards. it means how much you have to make to be able to put food on the table. the u.s. office of management and budget puts the poverty line at $21,954 for a family of four. that means you have to make $10.55 an hour if you're the only breadwinner. the line was developed in 1963 by the social security administration. that year it was just $3100 for a family of four. coming up next, the xyz, why some women in the newsroom were discouraging me from writing

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got some women fired up in the newsroom today. this started out with a conversation between me and one woman and all of a sudden there were six women chiming in in just a matter of minutes. what got them also fired up? ines sainz, a good chance you heard that name this week. she's the sports reporter from mexico that was allegedly subjected to cat calls and other adolescent behavior when she was cuffing t covering the jets. the nfl sent out a memo saying women reporters are professionals and should be

treated as such. but the part of the story that has people talking is that picture. that was how she was dressed that day. that is how she generally dresses. no matter what she's wearing, disdeployable and unacceptable to disrespect any female reporter trying to do her job especially in a male dominated field and covering male sports, period. nobody argues with that. but the decision i had today was about whether the way this particular reporter dresses should be a part of the conversation. the answer at least in fr tfrom discussion i had why. sainz has admitted that she dresses that way because she wants to be attractive. and says this incident will not cause her to at all change her attire. but there's a fine line of course between attractive and provocative and professional. you don't dress the same way for your meeting at work today as you're going to 20 for your date later tonight. one of my favorite sports reporters out there is michelle tafoyte. beautiful an